Decreasing activity

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Decreasing activity

Post by blackhawk » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:20 pm

I am not very experienced yet, but I would like to become a serious opper. I love the night. However, I noticed that the activity on this forum is slowly but surely decreasing and that's such a shame. I strongly believe that there are many people like us somewhere out there. People who are passionate about the night and the ways of exploring it. My question is: how do we find them and how do they find us? Is there anything that could be done to breathe life in this forum, so that the community will still exist in 5 or 10 years?

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Post by Xanatos » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:34 pm

People have tried advertising on sites like 4chan and various &totse clones, but few ever really stick around for long. Or contribute at all - I suspect most of our members merely lurk from time to time without saying anything. It's kinda hard to 'advertise' an inherently surreptitious activity, especially on more open platforms such as Facebook or Twitter.
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Re: Decreasing activity

Post by blackhawk » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:17 pm

So from what I understand, the problem is twofold:
1. Not getting found by new people
2. People are only reading for a while and are gone shortly after

For the first issue I cannot immediately think of a solution. Maybe I can think of some system or network later on.

However, for the second problem there may be things that we can do. I think that there is a big step between just reading guides and how-to's, and actually getting outside in the night (personal experience) and I feel like that big step won't be overcome by just growing some balls. Maybe that's the reason that people forget about Night Ops: they have the literal knowledge, but not the deep understanding or skills. I am aware that there are various guides and threads about going on your first OP, but maybe these are not suitable for everyone. That method of learning is quite linguistic, while a lot of people learn better when visual aspects are included.

What if we made a detailed training program. So I don't mean another text document, but an actual step by step (online) program, with visualised concepts and theory. Maybe include some exercises and videos of OPs, to make it interactive.

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Re: Decreasing activity

Post by Xanatos » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:20 pm

I've posted several videos, but the only 'tutorial' was that ghillie vid. But sure, making videos about the fundamentals of stealth, gear selection, how to plan & execute an op as well as relevant skills would be useful. Stealth Technique's Youtube channel does a fairly decent job, but it'd be nice to have something tailored to our community.

I wrote a NO training regime stickied in The Art of Night Ops too, but a more 'interactive' guide would be neat. The trouble is getting people to stick to it. Ultimately it comes down to the individual, and like you said, most people lack the balls to do so.
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Post by spartan_ninja45 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:21 pm

It's an absolute shame that the activity is decreasing. If I were a more experienced opper, I'd post frequently. But I don't know what to contribute to the forum so I mainly just lurk.

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Re: Decreasing activity

Post by Xanatos » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:53 pm

Any experiences, really. If you feel an op isn't significant enough for its own thread, there's the NSEFIOT to post in.
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Re: Decreasing activity

Post by Secant » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:02 am

Part of the problem is that the web works differently these days. There's this expectation that communities will come to where users already are (facebook, twitter, reddit, discord, etc). Having a separate website is a high barrier to entry and NONET is a casualty of this along with much of web 1.0. Not sure what we can do about it.

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Post by spartan_ninja45 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:47 pm

A Discord server would be nice

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Post by Xanatos » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:52 pm

We had one for a while but few people used it due a concern over security.
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Re: Decreasing activity

Post by Psychlonic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:02 am

I think what Secant said has a lot to do with it. Not only has the internet changed, but the generation that was present when Night Ops started is basically gone. Read the old night ops archives... now realize that most of those people are married and raising families. Many of the first gen enlisted. Some have passed away. For those of us left, like myself, it takes something exceptional to get into it again. The questions we had aren't compelling anymore - we already know the answers. If an operation lacks meaning, we're just not interested. Personally, most of my old operations were theft-oriented and short of something on a federal level it's not worth it anymore. Not because I have more to lose (although fencing stolen items has gotten MUCH harder as social media has brought us all together) so much as I just make more through legal means. And even if that weren't the case, my driving force during my career here was a total disregard for people in general and I no longer carry that chip on my shoulder.

It should be obvious from my more recent posts but I'm mostly just here for nostalgia at this point, my focus has shifted almost completely to biochemistry and physics - that's where the exciting questions lie for me now. Who and what are we? I never found the answers in any buildings, even castles.

:) But I'm a fossil in Night Ops time - I've been around off and on longer than some new members have been alive. If you guys want more members, talk people into it. I don't even speak adolescent language anymore so... I'm not the PR guy.
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