Am I the only one pissed off at this shit?

[Psychlonic]

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=43165

The responses in this thread are perfect indicators as to the direction night ops have gone. The idea is SO lost, that people are actually saying camo is bad because it's suspicious. No shit? So is a guy hopping over fences, sneaking along houses, and sitting on roof tops. The entire fucking idea is that you're not seen at all. Ever. Once. If you're seen, you fail. No trace is supposed to be left. NO TRACE! A guy walking along the sidewalk, no matter how inconspicuous, is still a trace.

There's no excuse. If you're seen, you fail. The end. It doesn't matter where you are, who you are, who's around. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. In other words, if you're not good enough to op an area, then don't. Build up somewhere else. Night ops has traditionally built itself up from basically exploring your neighbor's backyard. At that level, it's just a matter of building up the nerve to do it. But you never just act like you belong there and all is cool. You make sure you're not seen, check things out, and move on. Yeah, it's challenging, but that's half the point. You sacrifice the ease of inconspicuousness for the total freedom that only invisibility can grant you.

Has night ops finally died completely?

[Legend]

If the amount of posts on forums, blogs, and such regarding night ops and Google searches can indicate anything night ops are almost dead. I have a couple of friends who have night opped who've never heard of night ops as they're known here. So maybe it's a wider phenomenon than it is known.

I'm sorry for coming off rather stupid when I posted that thread but I was trying to learn by asking hypothetical questions. Anyways, I've read the guides created by users of this org and after spending some time on these forums I understand the psychology and philosophy of night ops.

[Psychlonic]

You were asking an honest question and got shit answers from everyone else. Dr. Bint, a guy who once wrote a guide on how to commit armed robbery says running in camo is a not a good idea but running around in a tuxedo is.

[stealththief]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. But I do see a decline in the straight up NO style that people appreciated a lot before, associated with ninjas and splinter cell...
I've personally never been able to do many operations like that unless they begin and end in a park because of my highly urban area, that's made me hold the ideal high though, so I jump at the chance to op the in the old style. I guess I appreciate both but do whichever is more practical for my particular op, since most of mine are improvised/opportunist operations anyways. If I was in the suburbs I'd do straight stealth, I've been to suburbs a bit and they have so much cover, hiding spots etc that there's no need to go inconspicuous unless you need to cover a ridiculous distance.

[Psychlonic]

It sounds like the perfect option for you and your group would be to just toss your shit in backpacks, travel to an area with more cover, and gear up in a hidden location there to begin your op. Suburbs can be difficult as well because while they've got cover, you have to leave it at some point to do things like cross a street. Crossing streets can be a bitch. It's all good when you're in the backyards or behind businesses, but sooner or later you're going to have to just dash across a lit up street with everyone's front window facing it. Granted, it's nowhere near the challenge of heavy urban areas but still. I once operated over in Denver near the Greyhound station. That was fucking crazy. I ended up having to cling to the top of cement walls just out of sight and shimmy along to whatever cover was available. But the cool thing about that area is it's set up perfectly to perform parkour moves. Lots of slopes, stairways, walls, and rails.

[killdozer]

Rest assured you aren't the only one pissed off. Though I have sort of come to grips with the thought that NO is evolving like everything else, decaying if you will, just like everything else. As much as it pains me to say it, NO will eventually die or become so lost and alienated to the real Oppers that it will be completely unrecognizable. It isn't until we realize this and accept it that we will be able to be at peace with it. Nothing is static... the same way our lives are ending one second at a time NO is dying or at least becoming something completely different.

We are a dying breed of people it seems. Our next generation looks bleak and only we can truly turn this around, Postpone the inevitable as long as we can while teaching our replacements to do the same. That's the only way to keep the lifestyle from being raped and disfigured by misinformation. That's the way it has to be, if we truly love what we do and wish to see it stay the way it was when we first found it we must act, and act now before our cause is lost completely.

[The Soldier]

i had a disscussion with someone on another forum and i am also pissed off. people are relying more on the skill of disguise and throwing stealth to the wind. i am glad to see others resisting this rubbish.

[Dethkreep]

i had a disscussion with someone on another forum and i am also pissed off. people are relying more on the skill of disguise and throwing stealth to the wind. i am glad to see others resisting this rubbish.

They'll be regretting that when society goes to shit.

[The Soldier]

yep. " what the hell do we do now guys there is no societal norm" at which point we are passing them undetected in ghillies.

[Ghost]

That sums up night ops pretty accurately for me. There was only one time where i ever used street clothes in relation with an operation - that was while a friend and i were biking to the target area, and personally i don't consider that to even be part of the op. Night opping is about being unseen.

I don't think we will ever be a dying breed, however. Humans will always have that hunter instinct, and some of us will always look to get our kicks and daily adrenaline dosage by sneaking around in the night. The name night ops will die out in time, surely, but the idea is something that is built on the pillars of our very nature - the day our art dies is the day the last human takes his last breath.