A "Tool" for capture without escape

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A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Tenshin » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:44 pm

Hey everyone,

This might be one of the most taboo subjects, even for night oping, and I understand if it goes against forum rules and guidelines (I also did a search prior to this, just in case it was already covered). But for those who take this as a serious lifestyle, in the event that you are caught and captured without possible escape, most would rather die. In ninjutsu, my personal background, sepukku (ritual suicide, done ninja style) is done whenever you are caught without escape (or have severely dishonored yourself or you clan, or are heavily injured and abut to die anyway).

Yup, taboo subject for sure, but the two most instantaneous and relatively easy ways to do this are using with a cyanide pill or the "peacefull pill", nembutal. The first is quicker, the second is more peaceful. Traditional sepukku involves using your short sword to puncture the aortic artery on the right side in between the ribs (cutting in a motion from the right shoulder down to the left hip using the last 3 inches of the blade). Anyway, the problem is with getting your sources or stock of each. Since they're both illegal to sell, suppliers can only receive money paid through something like Western Union. But then who is to say that they're not just going to scam you?

Anyway, if this is an acceptable subject to be covered, I'd be interesting in hearing people's thoughts on the subject in general, and if there are some who are on the same page, what are your preferred methods and how did you get a hold of or plan to do it in the event that it's needed?
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Someone » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:14 pm

Interesting topic.
Well, I think there's always a way to escape, unless you've got your feets buried in concrete at the bottom of a sea.
Imagination is your only limit. Therefore, suicide seems to me like a last resort option. Be creative, you could also fake your own death...
But if suicide is the only possible option, cyanide would be quite effective.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby CookieThief » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:17 pm

Not a mod but this would be better in the bad ideas section. Night ops and even black ops aren't high stakes enough for this option, this is POW stuff.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Tenshin » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:09 pm

Yeah, I was thinking about the bad ideas section too, just wasn't sure where to put it. But a suicide pill is technically a tool, that was my logic!

This is definitely a last resort measure, and for high risk missions (or ops) that involve targets or objectives that are of a very serious nature.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Xanatos » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:37 pm

Shifted to SG.

I'm aware the samurai practised ritual suicide, but I haven't come across any Ninjitsu sources talking about this. The Shoninki actually states that a ninja should not take his own life under any circumstance. The ninja and the samurai operated under very different rules with very different values.

This topic isn't 'taboo' so to speak, it's just... stupid. I don't think anybody here takes opping seriously enough to choose death over capture and we certainly wouldn't carry around anything specific for the task.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Lynx » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:01 pm

This is calculus level stupid, where the baseline for normal stupid is preschool math.
If you're in NO - chances are you aren't in need of a fake tooth with cyanide inside. If you're in the middle of exploring your neighbors backyard and the cops come to find your corpse with multiple hesitation wounds in your gut from an attempted seppuku, you're not doing it right.
If you're working with someone else, who do not have a goddamn public forum on the topic of their occupation, where every member is carefully screened, selected, and trained - with proper SERE training in the mix - then you may consider seppuku, after they send your ass to infiltrate the Gulag, you get caught by an Ovcharka and you don't want to spend the next decade being piss-waterboarded by the FSB & Company. Only then.
I can understand that in certain situations, your death is better warranted to prevent the compromise of mission critical information. Thing is, if you're here, or even talking about it as a lifestyle, you aren't burdened with those responsibilities.

That's all that pops into my head when I think ninja clan.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby NINJAHAMMER » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:29 am

I think the easiest "Tool" could be a large / long industrial zip tie. It has multiple uses - can be used to flex cuff an enemy, zip tie a fence door or fencing that you need to appear as closed or uncut, works as a tourniquet if needed, etc You can buy one at any parts supply type store, unlike cyanide, which , yes . . . you can create yourself or buy over the Dark Web, but will land you in jail for a long time if found on your person. You just create a loop or connect it around your neck pull it taunt and within a short period of time you will be night opping in the after-world. Not too painbul, and best of all . . . silent; you won't betray your team with your screams of pain. Considering ninja ops of this intensity has been a hobby of mine and I've studied prison escape for quite a while as I like to believe that a true ninja will find a way to defy the odds.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby Lynx » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:47 pm

Let's all use our zipties now so that we permanently escape from any prisons we might get into.
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Re: A "Tool" for capture without escape

Postby NINJAHAMMER » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:58 am

The zip tie idea would need to be used before incarceration. I didn't find too many zip ties while I was on vacation on the inside. However, there's always a way to escape and to be honest, I would rather go down fighting than to end myself.


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